notyourutopian: (Hmm.)
Eleanor Lamb ([personal profile] notyourutopian) wrote in [community profile] retrospec2018-01-24 09:17 am

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Good morning everyone!

I have a couple questions, if people are willing to answer.

The first one is somewhat personal I suppose, so please don't feel obligatedif you don't want to.

Have you, or do you know anyone, who was on the Retrospec network, forgot about it, and then remembered again?
Would you be willing to talk about what it was like? Do you remember the first time you were connected?
Do you feel any different from the first time?

Okay.

My other question is about technology. Many people have received technology from the retrospec people. A lot of it works in ways we're not really used to, or is much more advanced than anything we have here. Or is magic.

(It's not really magic.)

If you have received something like that, would you be willing to allow some of us to examine them? If we can start to figure out how they work, maybe we can start reverse engineering them, or adding them to other things we already have.

On a related note, if you are an engineer or mechanic or anything along those lines and would like to be involved in examining these things, let me know! Maybe we can organize something big here.
lalliho: (shut the front door)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-24 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
that's my point it doesn't have anything to do with that and I never explained that with that because I never explained it at all

that was about magic and science being the same which it isn't but that's what she said

if you like science so much you have to learn to actually read you know
commandertoolbelt: (welp)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-24 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
i did read
and i'm with eleanor on this one
just because we don't know exactly how something works doesn't mean there isn't a logical explanation to it
we just don't know what that explanation is yet
lalliho: (congratufuckinlations)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-24 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
what science makes 1/3 of someone's soul a wildcat

in what universe would that ever be science

and this is a different argument than the one you wanted to start with me
commandertoolbelt: (hanging out)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-24 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
the same kind of science that says we can get memories from other lives, i guess

[ aka "i don't know and i'm mad about it but that doesn't necessarily make it magic!" i'm sorry for him lalli ]
lalliho: (don't really have an opinion)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-24 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
no that I could see as science

even if you disagree with a lot of stuff you took what I said and changed the meaning and got mad at me for it so you shouldn't ignore that even if you aren't going to apologize for it you should say that's what you did


[Two people can be stubborn, you know.]
commandertoolbelt: (shut up I'm working)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-24 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
i kind of didn't though
you said "magic > science"
el replied that "agic = science we don't understand yet"
and you answered that talking about how your soul being part animal or whatever isn't science?
idk i think asking what your second comment had to do with the first made plenty of sense
because it sounded to me like you were saying magic is better than science because of your soul or something
lalliho: (weird ugly moose)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-24 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
that's like
coffee is better than tea
coffee and tea are the same thing
coffee is made of beans and tea is made from leaves so coffee isn't tea
how dare you think beans make things better
commandertoolbelt: (c'mon dude)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-24 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
are you sure that's the metaphor you want to use when logic (science!) defines beans and leaves as different things and we don't have any specific definition for magic besides el's "science we don't understand yet"
because that sounds like a different conversation than asking what your soul has to do with magic supposedly being better than science
lalliho: (go the fuck to sleep)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-24 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
a bean is not a leaf

is my point

magic is not science

beans are not leaves

they are very different things and any idiot with eyes and a brain can see that with those eyes and brain

I hate you and wish coffee would be thrown in your stupid face
commandertoolbelt: (just the mechanic)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-24 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
well obviously it's not that clear cut or you wouldn't have people questioning it

[ so nya ]

but okay since you're such an expert
how would you decide if something's magic or not
lalliho: (important hair fixing bonding)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-24 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
one person

I would use my brain
commandertoolbelt: (you are definitely not okay)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-24 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
that's just, like, your opinion, man
not very logical
lalliho: (a series of unfortunate events indeed)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-24 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
you said logic is for science people and I'm a magic person so I guess that's just how it has to be doesn't it?
commandertoolbelt: (how about no)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-25 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
[ ]

okay
if that’s how you do it
then do you just call everything you can’t explain with logic "magic"
lalliho: (you're really bad at this)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-25 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I said I would use my brain that I have because I'm not an idiot. just because I'm not telling you the thinking that goes into it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen

of course there's science I can't explain
[Because look, he can't even explain his own words.] but there is stuff that's different than "can't explain"
commandertoolbelt: (you okay)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-25 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
but how you can just accept that without wanting to know more

[ he is trying to understand but it just doesn't compute ]
lalliho: (well this might be a problem)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-25 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't say I could
commandertoolbelt: (c'mon dude)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-25 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
[ ????? ]

but you don't do anything about it?
lalliho: (smells like updog in here)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-25 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
you dont know anything about me

[Even if that's accurate, it's rude to assume things about people. Listen, he's very tired when it comes to life and its mysteries.]
commandertoolbelt: (you were saying)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-25 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah i know that's why i'm asking
lalliho: (sulks loudly)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-25 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
it doesn't sound like a real question but one of one fake questions people ask to try to make them sound better than people

which is how everything you've said has sounded
commandertoolbelt: (deep sigh)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-25 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
[ ...that's fair ]

just because i don't think magic is the only explanation you need?

whatever
i just don't get how someone can call something magic and be happy with that
it doesn't make sense
lalliho: (why did you tell me to hang up first)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-25 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
how is saying something is science any different
commandertoolbelt: (can we not risk our lives just one time)

[personal profile] commandertoolbelt 2018-01-25 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
science actually makes sense
it's tested over and over until it's proven and you know how it works and why
magic doesn't do any of that
lalliho: (swedish is dumb)

[personal profile] lalliho 2018-01-25 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
it might be in other places that have more magic

because magic isn't science you don't understand

magic is magic you don't understand

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