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Togusa ([personal profile] standalonehuman) wrote in [community profile] retrospec2018-08-10 04:53 am

Literature Review

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8/11 near Apprassage


Catcher in the Rye, in English. Retrospec sent me this one a while back, but I had to read this thing in high school. World lit. Hated it then, but apparently it's important now.

It bothers me that I'm starting to understand it on a re-read. Holden has absolutely everything going for him, but chooses to try as hard as he can to not engage with society around him. Back in high school, I thought it was just a morality tale, a spook story for kids, scare them into figuring their lives out or turn out like him.

And then we all get dropped into a situation where it would be so easy to do exactly what Holden wishes he could. To decide that this life doesn't matter, and turn yourself deaf-mute to the implications. But even that wouldn't get him what it wants, would it?

Question one is, what keeps you going? Keeps you paying attention to the world around you?

Second question comes back to Retrospec's latest game. Anybody else get a jigsaw puzzle?

"Turn him to any cause of policy, the Gordian Knot of it he will unloose, familiar as his garter."
Henry V, Act 1 Scene 1. The Archbishop describing how much Henry has changed as soon as he had to take the throne, going from a layabout of a prince to a sharp statesman of a king. It's really just a framing scene, telling the audience about the time that passed between plays. Odd quote to pull out.

So the last question is, what does that mean to anybody else?
thesettingsun: mad (to fall into your trap)

[personal profile] thesettingsun 2018-08-11 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Even I knew to doodle on scap paper during class.

Exactly. Just because they don't have the app doesn't mean they aren't important. And I'm pretty sure my parents would still judge me if I didn't graduate college, even if they knew that reality was crumbling around us.


[Asian-American parents, am I right?]
thesettingsun: smile (I won't ride along in your helicopter)

[personal profile] thesettingsun 2018-08-12 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe the dude was one of those assholes who draws on books?
thesettingsun: neutral (and you're better than)

[personal profile] thesettingsun 2018-08-13 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
[After a second...]

Wow, I hate this book even more now thanks to it reminding me of my past self. I didn't think that was even possible?
thesettingsun: smile (and you will uh)

[personal profile] thesettingsun 2018-08-13 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't get a memory, I just realized why it was bugging me so much. Dazai 'Disqualified From Being Human' Osamu could slide right into Holden's role with minimal changes to the book.
thesettingsun: smile (I am what I wear and how I dress)

[personal profile] thesettingsun 2018-08-13 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
It's his pen name. His legal name is the same as mine, but he seems to have pretty much only gone by Dazai by a certain point in his lifetime.
thesettingsun: mad (no not at all you can't control)

[personal profile] thesettingsun 2018-08-13 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I have one of his books. He talks about not being able to connect with the rest of society - that 'disqualified from being human' thing - and at some point giving up.

Which I maybe would be more sympathetic to if this giving up didn't involve leaving a loving wife! getting hooked on drugs! and being a huge asshole!!
thesettingsun: smile (I felt the arm's length)

[personal profile] thesettingsun 2018-08-14 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
It's easy to forget when you're on a self-righteous tirade, but society is just people. Nothing good ever comes of deciding to stop caring about other people.
thesettingsun: upset (and I'm the one with the lighter)

[personal profile] thesettingsun 2018-08-15 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Dazai's more the opposite, feeling like everyone else knows something he doesn't that lets them function in society. There's a line in his book that I'd translate like...

I have always shook with fright before human beings. Unable as I was to feel the least particle of confidence in my ability to speak and act like a human being, I kept my solitary agonies locked in my breast.

Funny how whether you give up on human beings because you think you're smarter than them or because you think you'll never be able to understand them, the results are pretty similar.
thesettingsun: neutral (you're sitting on your brains)

[personal profile] thesettingsun 2018-08-18 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Dazai's depressing. And has no stops between 'I'm the best and everyone should love me' and 'I'm worthless and should die'.

It is. I'd keep engaged anyway, but any way to not be him helps.
thesettingsun: smile (man)

[personal profile] thesettingsun 2018-08-20 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure he could have used some therapy. But I'm also pretty sure he was living in the time where lobotomies were being developed and seen as a good idea, so good luck getting actual therapy back then.
thesettingsun: smile (I am what I wear and how I dress)

[personal profile] thesettingsun 2018-08-24 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
[Unfortunately, that isn't a fantasy concept or something that only happens in a past self's dystopia.]

I always do. Turning into him is the last thing I want to do.